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		<title>By: Sunday Drummer</title>
		<link>http://theparadiddler.com/2010/02/16/product-review-off-set-double-bass-drum-pedal/comment-page-1/#comment-7858</link>
		<dc:creator>Sunday Drummer</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 24 Aug 2010 04:19:44 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I wanted to try a one-up, two-down configuration.  Not having two floor toms I positioned a rack tom in a FT position by clamping it to a cymbal stand.  The drums are all relatively low and flat, which I like.  It is a slight twist to get to the actual FT, but I&#039;ve adapted to it.  I also removed the rack tom mount from the kick drum and installed a custom made cover plate.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I wanted to try a one-up, two-down configuration.  Not having two floor toms I positioned a rack tom in a FT position by clamping it to a cymbal stand.  The drums are all relatively low and flat, which I like.  It is a slight twist to get to the actual FT, but I&#8217;ve adapted to it.  I also removed the rack tom mount from the kick drum and installed a custom made cover plate.</p>
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		<title>By: Omar</title>
		<link>http://theparadiddler.com/2010/02/16/product-review-off-set-double-bass-drum-pedal/comment-page-1/#comment-7855</link>
		<dc:creator>Omar</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 24 Aug 2010 01:01:51 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Sunday!

&lt;em&gt;Very &lt;/em&gt;nice.  Can you tell us how you came up with the new configuration?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Sunday!</p>
<p><em>Very </em>nice.  Can you tell us how you came up with the new configuration?</p>
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		<title>By: Omar</title>
		<link>http://theparadiddler.com/2010/02/16/product-review-off-set-double-bass-drum-pedal/comment-page-1/#comment-7854</link>
		<dc:creator>Omar</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 24 Aug 2010 00:56:37 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Hi PJ.

Duly noted!  I saw your videos.  The second video is actually another good demonstration of the bass drum being off-set to the right.  What a coincidence that you had that video from that angle (you&#039;ll have to tell us how you did that!).  I do see your point about your drums being spread out around you.  Yes, it&#039;s all about comfort and playability.  Someday you may want to try the Off-Set pedal though - it&#039;s a trip!

By the way, your videos are way cool.  Keep it up!</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Hi PJ.</p>
<p>Duly noted!  I saw your videos.  The second video is actually another good demonstration of the bass drum being off-set to the right.  What a coincidence that you had that video from that angle (you&#8217;ll have to tell us how you did that!).  I do see your point about your drums being spread out around you.  Yes, it&#8217;s all about comfort and playability.  Someday you may want to try the Off-Set pedal though &#8211; it&#8217;s a trip!</p>
<p>By the way, your videos are way cool.  Keep it up!</p>
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		<title>By: PJ</title>
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		<dc:creator>PJ</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 24 Aug 2010 00:34:13 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Here&#039;s a few links to some of my YouTube videos. I must admit that maybe I jumped the gun on the set-up, I went back and reviewed some of my stuff and low and behold...it&#039;s noticeable how everything is off-set. The reason I now say its &quot;square&quot; is because my bass is off-set, not the rest of the set. 

It also depends on how big the kit is too. I have added enough pads to surround myself almost evenly on both sides so it &quot;seems&quot; square but (true to your words), the bass is off-set still. 

For me its playability and nothing to do with showmanship so it doesn&#039;t matter if the bass is canted some, as long as I can still comfortably work my way around the kit, the universe is cool!!!

If you copy and paste in the address bar you should see the videos. Later taters : )
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=eghxy8CWGqQ
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=TkFi7nZTFEA</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Here&#8217;s a few links to some of my YouTube videos. I must admit that maybe I jumped the gun on the set-up, I went back and reviewed some of my stuff and low and behold&#8230;it&#8217;s noticeable how everything is off-set. The reason I now say its &#8220;square&#8221; is because my bass is off-set, not the rest of the set. </p>
<p>It also depends on how big the kit is too. I have added enough pads to surround myself almost evenly on both sides so it &#8220;seems&#8221; square but (true to your words), the bass is off-set still. </p>
<p>For me its playability and nothing to do with showmanship so it doesn&#8217;t matter if the bass is canted some, as long as I can still comfortably work my way around the kit, the universe is cool!!!</p>
<p>If you copy and paste in the address bar you should see the videos. Later taters : )<br />
<a href="http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=eghxy8CWGqQ" rel="nofollow">http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=eghxy8CWGqQ</a><br />
<a href="http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=TkFi7nZTFEA" rel="nofollow">http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=TkFi7nZTFEA</a></p>
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		<title>By: Sunday Drummer</title>
		<link>http://theparadiddler.com/2010/02/16/product-review-off-set-double-bass-drum-pedal/comment-page-1/#comment-7851</link>
		<dc:creator>Sunday Drummer</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 23 Aug 2010 22:11:38 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>My drum set positioning has changed since I posted 3 months ago. Here is a driver&#039;s seat pic of my current set-up.

http://i910.photobucket.com/albums/ac302/areFish/Drum%20Pictures/IMG_0814.jpg</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>My drum set positioning has changed since I posted 3 months ago. Here is a driver&#8217;s seat pic of my current set-up.</p>
<p><a href="http://i910.photobucket.com/albums/ac302/areFish/Drum%20Pictures/IMG_0814.jpg" rel="nofollow">http://i910.photobucket.com/albums/ac302/areFish/Drum%20Pictures/IMG_0814.jpg</a></p>
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		<title>By: Omar</title>
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		<dc:creator>Omar</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 23 Aug 2010 17:19:39 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Hi PJ.

Thanks for your comment!  I love it when readers present different viewpoints.

I went back and looked at the photos, and I&#039;m going to respectfully disagree with your observation.  The photos are not exaggerated.  The Off-Set pedals force you (in a good way) to sit squarely centered behind your bass drum.  That is the main concept and benefit of the Off-Set pedal.  With the typical double bass pedal, the drummer is ‘off-set’ to the right or left.  That is a fact.

The photos are for illustrative purposes only.  Of course, not every drummer is the same.  Every drummer will figure out (eventually, if they stick to it) what their optimum placement should be behind the kit, even with the typical double pedal.  However, note this comment from the Off-Set review:  “Of course, it is all a matter of positioning.  The drummer with the typical double pedal will set up his kit (if he’s properly versed) in a way that is optimum for them.  But if the same drummer used the Off-Set pedal, then they would be perfectly centered, and arranging the kit becomes easier, ergonomically speaking.  Equipment on both sides of the kit is equally reachable.  You are now the center of your drum kit, instead of one of the pieces of the kit (usually the bass drum).  That alone, plus the feeling of complete balance, might be the most important aspect of effective and efficient drum play.”

As far as your setup, I’d love to see it!  Do you have photos, maybe ‘bird’s-eye’ view, with you sitting at the kit, and the like?  It’s always educational to see how others have their kits set up; it can help others get ideas for their own setups.

Stay tuned to TheParadiddler.com, because there will be a lot more information coming regarding these pedals, and you’ll find it very informative, I promise you!  And thanks for reading the article, and for your comment!

The Paradiddler
:)</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Hi PJ.</p>
<p>Thanks for your comment!  I love it when readers present different viewpoints.</p>
<p>I went back and looked at the photos, and I&#8217;m going to respectfully disagree with your observation.  The photos are not exaggerated.  The Off-Set pedals force you (in a good way) to sit squarely centered behind your bass drum.  That is the main concept and benefit of the Off-Set pedal.  With the typical double bass pedal, the drummer is ‘off-set’ to the right or left.  That is a fact.</p>
<p>The photos are for illustrative purposes only.  Of course, not every drummer is the same.  Every drummer will figure out (eventually, if they stick to it) what their optimum placement should be behind the kit, even with the typical double pedal.  However, note this comment from the Off-Set review:  “Of course, it is all a matter of positioning.  The drummer with the typical double pedal will set up his kit (if he’s properly versed) in a way that is optimum for them.  But if the same drummer used the Off-Set pedal, then they would be perfectly centered, and arranging the kit becomes easier, ergonomically speaking.  Equipment on both sides of the kit is equally reachable.  You are now the center of your drum kit, instead of one of the pieces of the kit (usually the bass drum).  That alone, plus the feeling of complete balance, might be the most important aspect of effective and efficient drum play.”</p>
<p>As far as your setup, I’d love to see it!  Do you have photos, maybe ‘bird’s-eye’ view, with you sitting at the kit, and the like?  It’s always educational to see how others have their kits set up; it can help others get ideas for their own setups.</p>
<p>Stay tuned to TheParadiddler.com, because there will be a lot more information coming regarding these pedals, and you’ll find it very informative, I promise you!  And thanks for reading the article, and for your comment!</p>
<p>The Paradiddler<br />
 <img src='http://theparadiddler.com/wp-includes/images/smilies/icon_smile.gif' alt=':)' class='wp-smiley' /> </p>
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		<title>By: PJ</title>
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		<dc:creator>PJ</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 23 Aug 2010 03:05:41 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>NOT TRUE AT ALL!!!

I in fact use the Vex and have a 100% &quot;square&quot; set-up and have the snare comfortably between my legs. I play both sides of my kit and have had electric, acoustic, single bass, double bass, single bass w/single pedal and single bass w/dbl pedal. 

It appears that the photos are exaggerated to make the point.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>NOT TRUE AT ALL!!!</p>
<p>I in fact use the Vex and have a 100% &#8220;square&#8221; set-up and have the snare comfortably between my legs. I play both sides of my kit and have had electric, acoustic, single bass, double bass, single bass w/single pedal and single bass w/dbl pedal. </p>
<p>It appears that the photos are exaggerated to make the point.</p>
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		<title>By: Sunday Drummer</title>
		<link>http://theparadiddler.com/2010/02/16/product-review-off-set-double-bass-drum-pedal/comment-page-1/#comment-6729</link>
		<dc:creator>Sunday Drummer</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 18 May 2010 20:17:19 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Great review and a whole bunch of food for thought on drum positioning.  I play a single kick pedal, however like having the two up in the shortstop and second base position as you have described it.  To accomplish this I have the mounted toms off of the kick with the ride hovering over the kick drum.  I think of my kick pedal, hi-hat pedal and toms as the three sides to a triangle with the throne at one point.  If you cut-copy-paste this URL you can see the birds eye view of my set up.  http://i910.photobucket.com/albums/ac302/areFish/Drum%20Pictures/IMG_0056.jpg

One weak link for me in my set up is the distance between my middle and floor tom.  The comfort of play between the snare and two mounted toms is improved over the standard set up in my case however.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Great review and a whole bunch of food for thought on drum positioning.  I play a single kick pedal, however like having the two up in the shortstop and second base position as you have described it.  To accomplish this I have the mounted toms off of the kick with the ride hovering over the kick drum.  I think of my kick pedal, hi-hat pedal and toms as the three sides to a triangle with the throne at one point.  If you cut-copy-paste this URL you can see the birds eye view of my set up.  <a href="http://i910.photobucket.com/albums/ac302/areFish/Drum%20Pictures/IMG_0056.jpg" rel="nofollow">http://i910.photobucket.com/albums/ac302/areFish/Drum%20Pictures/IMG_0056.jpg</a></p>
<p>One weak link for me in my set up is the distance between my middle and floor tom.  The comfort of play between the snare and two mounted toms is improved over the standard set up in my case however.</p>
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		<title>By: Greg Tustin</title>
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		<dc:creator>Greg Tustin</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 01 Apr 2010 20:15:35 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Para - Great review. I have been a double &quot;kicker&quot; for 40 years and just recently made the jump to a Roland TD10 (single kick of course). I spent 2 months combing through reviews on all of the double pedals out there and came across your review on the off-set. It took a little bit more of me looking around that I realized that this is the perfect pedal. I bought one; it is truly the best pedal I have played.

Excellent write up.

THANKS!
Greg</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Para &#8211; Great review. I have been a double &#8220;kicker&#8221; for 40 years and just recently made the jump to a Roland TD10 (single kick of course). I spent 2 months combing through reviews on all of the double pedals out there and came across your review on the off-set. It took a little bit more of me looking around that I realized that this is the perfect pedal. I bought one; it is truly the best pedal I have played.</p>
<p>Excellent write up.</p>
<p>THANKS!<br />
Greg</p>
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		<title>By: Jim McCarthy</title>
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		<dc:creator>Jim McCarthy</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 22 Feb 2010 23:19:50 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Nice write up Omar - a good read with some well though out points. The concept of having a standard set up kick NOT facing directly at the audience is one that I also suggest in the Stick Technique book - you probably remember. When I saw Mat Ritter&#039;s DVD suggesting the same thing I was pleased - by the way - to all out there who have not yet seen it - get it - it is a good dvd. This pedal may not be for all drummers I think, but it is certainly an innovative concept and I think that it will find a permanent place in the set up of many drummers. I myself have reservations about double kick in general - not that it&#039;s bad - I always encourage as much work with feet as hands and good double kick technique is a very worthwhile pursuit. What I often see in many drummers though is an underdevelopment of each foot as they learn to rely on two feet to achieve some of the patterns that can in fact be played with one after some development. The problem with using two feet on the bass drums is that it neglects the high hat which is actually the most expressive instrument on the kit with a greater sound palete than any other. The question of erganomics with kit set up has always been a biggy and I&#039;m quite sure that for many drummers this pedal will indeed improve their positioning. I feel that it is certainly a worthy addition to the selection of tools drummers have to create their art.
All the best mate and keep up the good work
Jim McCarthy</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Nice write up Omar &#8211; a good read with some well though out points. The concept of having a standard set up kick NOT facing directly at the audience is one that I also suggest in the Stick Technique book &#8211; you probably remember. When I saw Mat Ritter&#8217;s DVD suggesting the same thing I was pleased &#8211; by the way &#8211; to all out there who have not yet seen it &#8211; get it &#8211; it is a good dvd. This pedal may not be for all drummers I think, but it is certainly an innovative concept and I think that it will find a permanent place in the set up of many drummers. I myself have reservations about double kick in general &#8211; not that it&#8217;s bad &#8211; I always encourage as much work with feet as hands and good double kick technique is a very worthwhile pursuit. What I often see in many drummers though is an underdevelopment of each foot as they learn to rely on two feet to achieve some of the patterns that can in fact be played with one after some development. The problem with using two feet on the bass drums is that it neglects the high hat which is actually the most expressive instrument on the kit with a greater sound palete than any other. The question of erganomics with kit set up has always been a biggy and I&#8217;m quite sure that for many drummers this pedal will indeed improve their positioning. I feel that it is certainly a worthy addition to the selection of tools drummers have to create their art.<br />
All the best mate and keep up the good work<br />
Jim McCarthy</p>
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