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Traditional vs. Matched Grip – The Paradiddler’s Take

by Omar on January 2, 2009

in Editorials, Education

What’s this? Yet another article and opinion on traditional vs. matched grip? Will it ever end? Maybe not! But what’s wrong with that? That only inspires innovation and creativity.

As sort of a preface, let me give you a little background. As I’ve mentioned previously (go ahead, check my previous blog entries if you haven’t already!), my drumming influences growing up all used matched grip – all of them: Neil Peart, Alex Van Halen, Alan White, Peter Criss, and so on. When I was a wee little lad I didn’t even know there was another way to hold sticks – no other way was even logical. You hold the sticks the same way, then both hands can pretty much do the same thing. Eventually, of course, I did see drummers hold the sticks differently, even if I didn’t know it had a name. I always wondered why some drummers held sticks that way (traditionally speaking).

Then I started noticing more drummers, particularly in jazz, using the traditional grip, and I couldn’t understand it. What benefit was there to hold the stick that way? When I had a chance to try both grips, the traditional grip was so uncomfortable that I couldn’t stand it! Mind you, I never took lessons, even to this day (which I’m working on, actually – more on that in a future article), so I never had someone teach me the nuances of the traditional grip. When I got a drum set in my teens, you guessed it: matched grip all the way.

Well I couldn’t just ignore the huge amount of fantastic drummers that only used traditional grip (or at least used it most of the time). We have the “problem” of arguably the best drummer of all time, Buddy Rich, playing the traditional grip almost exclusively. He did at times use matched grip, but for the most part it was traditional. Anybody gonna argue with him as to what grip was better? Steve Smith, currently one of my favorite drummers, swears by traditional grip as well, even though on occasion he too switches to matched grip.

So really, what’s the deal with traditional grip? Now this is history anybody can look up, but to save you, my precious reader, some time, I’m going to sum it up, if you don’t know it already. The traditional grip was a solution to the problem marching drummers had way back when who slung the drum over the right shoulder, thus having the drum hang over their left side. In actuality, matched grip was used first, so it really is the traditional grip!

But I digress. When the drum was slung over on the left side, it was difficult to use the same grip on the left hand as the right. The left elbow had to come up considerably so that the drum head could be struck properly. To alleviate the left-handed grip, the “traditional” grip was devised for the left hand where the butt of the stick rested in the fleshy part of the hand between the thumb and index finger, and the rest of the stick continued through the middle and ring finger, with support from the index finger folded in. This allowed the left arm to rest more comfortably on the side, and thereby allowing easier control of both sticks on the drum.

As time passed, and drum kits started to pop up, this “traditional” grip stuck around, and with the jazz scene increasing, this was the grip of choice. There were a lot of fantastic drummers using this grip, and I don’t think it was questioned very much.

The matched grip, although used, was not the popular grip of choice until most likely about the time that Ringo Starr came around with The Beatles. We know how popular they were, so more aspiring drummers started using the matched grip more extensively. And as time went on, more and more drummers from the rock scene were adopting the matched grip, while the traditional grip remained more popular in jazz.

In analyzing the above, what can we conclude about why the traditional grip came to exist at all? It was a solution to a problem, the problem being the slanted hanging drum on the left side of the drummer. Naturally speaking, the matched grip is a more comfortable grip for the hands. The total amount of muscles used for matched grip exceeds the amount used for traditional grip, which actually allows for more flexibility. This is especially true in a drum kit setting. You will notice that for some drummers that play with the traditional grip, they slant their snare drum a bit to accommodate the grip they’re using. You’ll also notice that for most forms of percussion that require sticks or mallets, matched grip is almost exclusively used.

So why is the traditional grip still used? Why do so many drum teachers still emphasize it? Well, it’s tradition! Generation after generation have taught it, and I believe it won’t go away, nor should it, for reasons I'll shortly.

I am of the strong belief that if you’re going to learn how to play drums, you should start off with the matched grip. It simply gives you more options around a kit than does the traditional grip. The traditional grip is more specialized, and if you really, really want to learn it, then by all means, do so! But not at the expense of the matched grip.

I’ve heard (and we’ve all heard) arguments from both sides as to why this grip is better than that grip, real drummers play traditional grip, and the like. Me personally, the matched grip has more advantages. I’ll just name a couple. One, it is easier to play “open handed,” or using your left hand to play the hi-hat using matched grip, than with traditional grip. This opens up a whole range of playing options that are just too difficult to pull off with the traditional grip. I think that’s a huge a benefit. Another advantage is that the traditional grip somewhat limits your reach of drums and/or cymbals on you left side (or right side if you're a lefty drummer), which would be reached easier if you’re playing with a matched grip. This is especially true for drummers that have many percussive instruments in their kits all around them.

I concede that, if you get really, really good, a drummer with a traditional grip can play exceedingly well, and there are many drummers using traditional grip that are stellar. This grip may allow for a little more nuance in playing, possibly for ghost notes for instance. Some drummers also cite that when they play with the traditional grip, they seem more inspired and play more instinctively. But then again, some of those play matched grip as well!

A good drummer will have as many “tools” in their “toolbox” as possible that will make them a better player. Although I advocate more emphasis on matched grip, there’s nothing wrong at all with learning the traditional grip as well; it’s just that I wouldn’t learn it at the expense or in lieu of the matched grip. Learn it, play it if and when it feels right, then switch back to matched when need be. It also depends on the music being played. Jazz tends to lend itself to playing traditional grip due to the nuances required, and usually it is not played with a lot of force. Compare that to rock, or metal, where playing matched grip is almost a must due to the force needed to play those genres of music (although Stewart Copeland makes a great case for playing traditional grip with force – read “Taken to School, Reprise”).

So what can we conclude? I believe that if anything at all can make you a better drummer, then by all means strive to get better at that. With all being said, I have absolutely no problem with using traditional grip. I think it looks really cool! I am focusing on my matched grip playing now, and developing hand speed and working on certain rudiments. But when I get that down pat, I’m going to add the traditional grip to my “toolbox,” because although I don’t think it mandatory, I do think it a great addition to my repertoire. I also think it a great addition to all drummers' repertoire!

I would love to hear your take on this topic as well, so feel free to let me know what you think about it. Maybe I left something out, so let me know! All comments welcome.


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{ 23 comments… read them below or add one }

1 Preston Littlejohn July 23, 2010 at 9:17 am

Circa today new modern drummers are all stuck in a rut. Its the same same same same same same saturated fiber glass table top drumming that sounds like a car stuck in neutral. Listened to Weckle and Cobham and Gadd and Travis Barker and its really nothing but boring over played plastic tupperware drum sounds. Now the One Man that never ever bores me is Buddy Rich. Buddy Rich played exciting drums and no one could ever touch him in technique ideas and great sounding drums. I do not waste my time or energy on any one playing out there today. A total waste of Time. I go back to Buddy Rich. Buddy Rich is and always will be the greatest drummer ever hands down. Buddy Rich.

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2 Trevor July 7, 2010 at 10:46 pm

Hello Claudio Hey Man. dig your post and pages on sticking. I just gave away all my rock drummers on compact discs and vinyl and everything Rock and that includes neil peart and bonham and all rock and heavy rock drummers. I gave up on all of them.. Just noise and more noise and trash drumming. I keep reading about this guy called Buddy Rich. so I went to this music shop in my home town and bought about eleven compact discs on this guy called Buddy Rich. Hell Claudio its over. I do not want to hear or see another rock drummer or heavy metal drummer ever again. Buddy Rich for me Man. I will not waste my time on another rock drummer. Case Close Claudio its Buddy Rich for me from now on. Buddy Rich he is my new idol. Claudio Buddy Rich

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3 Omar July 7, 2010 at 11:29 pm

Hi Trevor.

I love your passion (you too, Claudio)!

I wish you gave me those CD’s and vinyls, though! Yes, if you want the best hands in the business, you could just study Buddy Rich and be done with it. But to be a well-rounded drummer (if that’s your goal), you may want to check out other drummer stalwarts.

I’d say that if you want great feet as well as hands, you may want to get those CD’s and vinyl’s back! Although Buddy Rich may have had good feet, you’d learn a lot more from more modern drummers, such as the aforementioned Neil Peart, or one of my newer favorites, Marco Minnemann (both of which are featured on this web site).

Other drummers I think you’d learn a lot from are Steve Smith, Thomas Lang, Steve Gadd, Bill Bruford, Billy Cobham, etc. All for different reasons, who offer perspectives that you won’t get from Buddy Rich (although I’m sure all of them were influenced by Buddy).

So Trevor, go get those CD’s and vinyls back! :)

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4 Claudio Hector Sobrales May 31, 2010 at 4:50 pm

I agree!!!!!

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5 Got to Go with Buddy Rich May 29, 2010 at 3:54 pm

Really enjoy reading all the posts here about traditional sticking and match grip sticking. Everything makes sense here and I admire everyones opinions. To me. Buddy Rich would be the most dominant force in drumming. I have seriously tried to pay attention to todays modern drumming whether it be jazz fusion rock heavy metal you name it. The one man I keep coming back to is none other than Buddy Rich. Simply because Buddy Rich played the greatest set of drums in the universe. There are many drummers out there that have something to say behind a drum kit but but but Buddy Rich out plays out shines and out musicaly drums each and every one of them. When it comes down to the most tremendous drumming ever I would have to go with Buddy Rich.

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6 Claudio Hector Sobrales May 23, 2010 at 11:20 pm

Buddy Rich it’s a basical reference to understand why the drumming evolved in the way what is nowadays…..so I tried to balanced the opinions ..if in some way misunderstood …I’m sorry ; but I don’t Say I’m sorry , because each grip has it’s advantage and disadvantage. If Buddy Rich had learned in matched grip …? He would play as incredible and one-of-a -kind drummer , nothing had changed . I don’t argue nothing about Buddy Rich ….so why are We talking about him ?. It’s all about grip .maaaan…..!!!!! just grip!!!!
What I tried to express is just Sound ..if you close your eyes and try to discriminate which grip is every player uses , it would be a great surprise , who was playing with which grip …!!! that’s what I tried to refer to,!!!! if you like traditional excellent , if you don’t it’s the same…!!! it’s not a problem to me ..!!!! so the next time try to understand first and if you don’t understand ask me in a respectful way ; ‘cos I didn’t refer to nobody ,in a particular way . I could be Wrong or Right it’s my opinion!!!

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7 Missing Buddy Rich so Much. No one out there to ADMIRE May 23, 2010 at 9:29 am

Read all the comments on this page from all the drummers and fans. Please let me say my two cents. Went thru all the books of drum instruction. Sat in classes for percussion and jazz drumming and rock drumming and fusion drumming and drum and bugle corps drumming and how to Grip Stick and how to play Traditional Stick and how to practice and build your chops? All a waste of time and money. Go to the local music shop and get anything by Buddy Rich. Buddy Rich showed me more than any instructor or drummer out there today. His excellent way of playing has inspired a trillion drummers. Don’t give me this . You have to be a Jazz Drummer. You have to be a Rock Drummer. You have to get a Groove or a pocket in your playing??? This is total nonsense. Just watch and listen to Buddy Rich. Say your prayers at night and pray that some day you might just might have fifty percent of Buddy Rich in your playing. By the way there should be a Shrine built for Buddy Rich. No drum company or drum stick company or cymbal company could build a shrine tall enough or big enough to honor Buddy Rich. The master drummer. Buddy Rich. You can not be more emphatic than that. Buddy Rich

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8 Claudio Hector Sobrales May 21, 2010 at 7:47 pm

During my personal experience , I learnt, what matters is the sound ; if you feel comfortable with matched grip go for it ….if you feel comfortable with “traditional” grip good for you !. What I don’t understand ,is , why people fight each other in parties which must be friends and colleagues!!!! ; traditions are traditions and if someone says “Jazz sounds better in “traditional grip” ” ..that’s not a mistake …first Jazz players where kids when played drums in American Civil war and transladate this grip to the just born drum kit ….. Remember there are three “traditional grips” … Swiss/German ; French and American …all of them developed during wars. when Drums were replaced in battle field by radios , the Matched grip grew up . Again IT’s Sound which matters …..!!!!!

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9 Jordon Gonzales March 10, 2010 at 2:11 pm

What about the one thing I didn’t see anywhere in your post and primarily left out of the entire conversation: EXPERIENCE.

I do not hold to a notion that one can be better than the other. But there is obviously a case in every situation and drummer personality where one grip is better than the other. The only reason is this: The one that is better is the one practiced more often for that drummer or that specific style / song.

Practice is what determines which grip is better.

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10 Greg March 11, 2010 at 10:00 am

Agreed !!!!!!!

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11 Buddy Rich no one but Buddy Rich March 9, 2010 at 10:30 am

Here’s the way it goes plain and simple. You Grip Stick you Traditional Stick you listen to Jazz you waste your time on Heavy Metal or Funk. That’s not it. Watch Buddy Rich listen to Buddy Rich. The Master at work. Before his death someone interviewed him and said how did you get that sensational technique that everyone admires? Buddy said I do not know the difference of a paradiddle to a ratamacue. If I go behind my set of drums and everything comes out sounding all right I am Lucky. That was why all serious drummers admired and respected Buddy Rich. It’s not the drum company the cymbals the mikes the special lighting or who makes the best drum sticks or should I grip or should I play Traditional. Study Buddy Rich take close close attention to his mastery of drumming period. Don’t waste your time or energy on heavy metal or rock drumming. You want Heavy Metal??? Go to the junk yard and watch heavy metal getting loaded into dump trucks. It’s free and it’s very very loud and noisy. If that’s what you want in drumming??? You want class precision silk drumming perfection drumming? You make sure to listen and learn from Buddy Rich

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12 Greg February 17, 2010 at 1:40 pm

O.K. I am going to throw something in here that may seem odd, but think about this…. Most agree that the trad.left hand is weaker than matched. When playing matched.. the stronger left hand is battling against the dominant right therefore creating less fluidity and sounds sometimes stiff and choppy. When playing trad. the left hand may be creating strokes that are weaker in volume, but create more of a sense of forward motion with the stronger right leading, which sounds more flowing. In essence, the reasons most people dislike this technique is actually a positive factor in internal dynamics.

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13 matt October 16, 2009 at 11:06 am

I have been playing drums since i was about 7 years old . I’m 36 now and it’s only in the last few years that the traditional grip idea has really hit me.I always played matched because when I started out i was given the option of either one by my tutor and that just seemed like the logical one to choose.I did’nt know why at the time but I can see now that all the logical arguments for it make perfect sense. I like the feel of trad grip but I find that certain things are harder to play. I get really messed up trying to play six stroke rolls for example, whereas doubles seem to flow pretty naturally. I have to admit; my left hand matched grip was never really all that good and I could never get the hands to look the same in the mirror.I can get quite a good finger controlled speed up in the RH but it’s half as good in the LH with matched.
I play a lot of Jazz now, and I tend to feel that I owe it to myself to get the trad grip together as it suits the music better.A lot of the drummers I listen to are TG players too which has an influence on me.

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14 Rick Johnson June 8, 2009 at 1:12 am

Buddy almost always played traditional the only time he used match was if he was doing cross sticking on the toms. As soon as he went back to the snare he would go back to traditional. When he had his clubs in NYC I lived about 20 minutes from them and when he was in town I was there 2 or 3 nights a week and I can say without a doubt he played traditional 99% of the time.

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15 Omar June 8, 2009 at 1:18 am

Hi Rick.

No doubt, I probably agree with your percentage – 99% traditional grip for Buddy seems right! To this day I still can’t get over how fluidly he went all over the kit with traditional grip. He was a freak of nature, no doubts there! It must have been just awesome to see him in person. I’m jealous!

Thanks for the post, and please, come back often!

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16 James Hernandez March 23, 2009 at 12:08 pm

I learned traditional in school. I’m a lefty, but my band instructor turned me around and made me learn to play as a righty. That sort of thing happened alot back in the day when being left-handed wasn’t accepted. Anyway, it felt unnatural to play trad at first, but now it feels more unnatural for me to play matched grip. I have been working on it for the very reasons you mentioned (open handed playing, reaching). I play more evenly using trad right now, but my matched grip is improving and I agree that the more tools you have opens up more possibilities making you a better player.

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17 Omar March 24, 2009 at 11:11 am

Hi James.

Hey, whatever’s more comfortable, play that way! It’s all fun. Even though I find playing traditional grip a little difficult, to me it’s so much fun. Soon (don’t know when, though) I’ll be recording myself playing a song traditional grip just to see what I look like. Anyways, drum on!

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18 Greg March 5, 2009 at 11:41 am

My story is opposite! I began with trad. and recently have been switching to matched. There is more subtlety with trad. because of the natural “drop” of the stick from being cradled in the hand. This creates a more flowing sound. However, it doesnt make it when you need consistant volume which is why the great trad. players will occasionally switch to matched. If you are looking for consistent sound from stick to stick,stay with matched. If you are looking for more internal dynamic expression, go with trad.

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19 Omar March 5, 2009 at 11:53 am

Hi Greg.

I think I’m coming around a little bit regarding the traditional grip. I never had anything against it, but I did find it a little unnatural. But it’s actually quite fun to play. I’ll have to record myself playing traditional grip and see what I need to correct, and use it more. But all in all, I still think matched grip is more versatile. But your points are all valid!

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20 derek February 12, 2009 at 6:59 pm

I’ve played traditional for about six years (i learned in through marching band) and love it on drumset… when i play pop and jazz. for whatever reason ghost notes and doubles feel more natural. Also, because you have more control over the stick angle (in regards to the head), with an acorn tipped/oval tipped drumstick you can strike the drum with less surface area of the stick, allowing for a lighter/thinner sound if necessary. Those things are possible in matched grip as well, it just feels more comfortable to my hands:)

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21 Omar February 12, 2009 at 11:10 pm

Hi Derek.

Great insight! I’m noticing that the drumming community agrees that the traditional grip allows for more subtlety, which I’ll be checking more of myself!

And also, please let us all know what brand and model drumstick you’re talking about, ’cause I want ‘em!

Thanks again!

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22 T February 12, 2009 at 11:03 am

I would like to comment about the jazz drummers, the reason they use traditional grip is for the continual accent note playing; it is easyier to throw in some of this or some of that, playing traditional, as for Buddy Rich, I will argue on the grip, the couple of times that I met him he hardly played traditional, and almost always played matched. Well, thanks for allowing me to comment.
T

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23 Omar February 12, 2009 at 11:18 am

Hi T.

You can comment any time you want! Thanks for the feedback.

You may be right about the accentuation being easier using the traditional grip. I guess muscle memory for accents is easier to learn using this grip. That’s one for traditional!

As for Buddy Rich using matched grip, that doesn’t shock me. What does is the times that you met him he didn’t play traditional! I’ve only ever seen him use the traditional grip, except on a very few occasions. Just goes to show what a master he was.

Please, keep coming back!

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